Worst schools ‘pay teachers almost as much as the best’

The best-performing teachers are being paid little over £600-a-year more than peers working in the worst state schools, according to new figures. This is from the Telegraph

Researchers found “very little difference” in teachers’ wages across England despite wide variations in the standard of education being delivered by schools.

A new study by the Reform think-tank found that schools ranked “outstanding” by Ofsted – its highest possible rating – were paid £36,827 last year.

By comparison, schools with “inadequate teaching” paid staff an average of £36,183.

It was claimed that the findings underlined the extent to which current pay structures in English state schools fail to act as an incentive for driving up standards.

The report said that it reinforced the need for a system of performance-related pay despite fierce opposition to the proposals from teaching unions, who are threatening industrial action to scupper the plans.

Researchers found “very little difference” in teachers’ wages across England despite wide variations in the standard of education being delivered by schools.

A new study by the Reform think-tank found that schools ranked “outstanding” by Ofsted – its highest possible rating – were paid £36,827 last year.

By comparison, schools with “inadequate teaching” paid staff an average of £36,183.

It was claimed that the findings underlined the extent to which current pay structures in English state schools fail to act as an incentive for driving up standards.

The report said that it reinforced the need for a system of performance-related pay despite fierce opposition to the proposals from teaching unions, who are threatening industrial action to scupper the plans.

More at:  Worst schools ‘pay teachers almost as much as the best’

See also: The coalition must fight to defend performance-related pay for teachers

Regardless of the merits (or otherwise) of performance related pay, does the idea that a school’s overall performance should give a measure of the performance of individual teachers not completely miss the point? What hope would there ever be of challenging schools ever attracting the best staff on these terms? Tell us what you think please in the comments or via twitter…

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Comments

  1. andylutwyche

    SchoolsImprove It will take a long time for PRP to have a noticeable effect as people’s wages can’t be cut. Not sure it will make big diff

  2. andylutwyche

    SchoolsImprove Schools can only attract staff if they offer competitive wages. This is where PRP will stuff some schools

  3. andylutwyche

    SchoolsImprove Also, and this makes it a non-story, PRP has only just come in so staff of any school will get roughly the same

  4. Mattwort

    SchoolsImprove Disastrous headline. Have worked in failing schools with huge investment in T&L and observed outstanding schools with……

  5. Mattwort

    SchoolsImprove ….very poor/uninspiring methods. So many considerations tone aware of. These headlines question me wanting to stay in job

  6. PrincesBold

    andylutwyche SchoolsImprove Not had much of an increase in recent years, have you noticed how much other good and services have increased.

  7. scjmcd

    SchoolsImprove Would have thought they would have to pay more to attract good staff. Such are the pitfalls of moving away from MPS.

  8. MikeCraven5

    SchoolsImprove well of course they do. How else can struggling schools attract the right people to help them get turned around?

  9. MrBhatti2013

    SchoolsImprove We must pay the best teachers the highest wages! What defines the best teachers? Results/care/creativity/passion?????

  10. evilflea

    SchoolsImprove Are they comparing the salaries of teachers with comparable responsibility/experience? Otherwise, figures pretty meaningless

  11. evilflea

    SchoolsImprove Also, has anyone considered the radical notion that there are many many good teachers in schools with poor leadership?

  12. evilflea

    SchoolsImprove Why is it the assumption is that individual teachers are to blame when a school fails, and not a wider problem?

  13. MrsMarkendale

    MrBhatti2013 SchoolsImprove Teaching is about relationships. How do we put a price on that? How can it be measured?

  14. MrBhatti2013

    MrsMarkendale SchoolsImprove Let’s be frank. Results play a significant role. To get them you need a whole host of qualities.

  15. MrsMarkendale

    MrBhatti2013 SchoolsImprove Students who have grown as people, but not achieved outstanding levels of progress should still be valued.

  16. MrsMarkendale

    MrBhatti2013 SchoolsImprove I agree with rewarding hard working staff. I just don’t think there is a fair way to do it.

  17. parkon7726

    andylutwyche Well, I wasn’t sure. Sometimes the 140 is way too short to clarify stuff. Lots of people do want that, however. Sadly.

  18. andylutwyche

    parkon7726 Quite – a lot of people who base their knowledge on having been at school as a child. They have been known to create ed policy!

  19. biscuitsarenice

    SchoolsImprove evilflea would add how would a school improve if it employed and paid teachers at their current school grading?

  20. beatthesystem1

    evilflea biscuitsarenice SchoolsImprove Poor leadership & senior management are more interested in ticking the boxes than education.

  21. terryfish

    MrsMarkendale SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 The insulting thing is to presume that teachers will teach better if they can earn a bonus!….

  22. terryfish

    MrsMarkendale SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 …Those people are not in teaching… And has the govt seen the research on motivation & PRP?

  23. misterhutt

    MrsMarkendale SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 Of course there is a ‘fair’ way – market forces. And it happens now with retention points.

  24. RiscaCCS_Head

    biscuitsarenice SchoolsImprove some truth in this if you change if to “leaders”….. Good leadership is shared leadership in schools.

  25. parkon7726

    andylutwyche Which is dangerous. I don’t know any teachers who would deliberately fail their charges, yet they are often accused of such 🙁

  26. drmattoleary

    evilflea SchoolsImprove important point Phil. Elephant in the room that’s not addressed is ‘systems failure’. Easier to target individuals

  27. rrunsworth

    MrsMarkendale SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 It may be difficult but not impossible, also not a reason not to do it

  28. andylutwyche

    parkon7726 Me neither but pressure is being applied to improve data by fair means or foul which can lead to some interesting decisions

  29. lucylikesshoes

    SchoolsImprove Harsh article- who is to say these teachers are not working incredibly hard against the odds? x

  30. parkon7726

    andylutwyche But often these decisions are unfair+wrong, often. People need to be supported, not beaten. Makes me so cross.

  31. parkon7726

    andylutwyche Absolutely!But I fear we are a dying breed in terms of this stance.Too many involved in self promotion at expense of others :/

  32. andylutwyche

    parkon7726 That’s a culture that’s been encouraged for while now, but ultimately linked to Ofsted gradings and appearing to be wonderful

  33. MrBhatti2013

    SchoolsImprove Just to be clear, I agree with performance related pay. And endorse Michael Gove’s stance.

  34. parkon7726

    andylutwyche I refuse to be one of these lacking in empathy, self-promoting, Sytherin-esq new breeds. It’s poor form+process bound.

  35. parkon7726

    andylutwyche The only way forward seems to be to seek promotion to counter this sort of nonsense, I guess… *takes one for the team* 😉 x

  36. andylutwyche

    parkon7726 But if you’re not that type of ambitious (you know what i mean) you may not get that promotion – not their type!

  37. sharpeleven

    MrBhatti2013 I wouldn’t follow me if you’re a fan of Michael Gove ! A monstrous, arrogant, vindictive, vain & thoroughly nasty Tory.

  38. MrBhatti2013

    sharpeleven I will take your guidance on that fellow! Unfollowed! 🙂 p.s I can appreciate your tweet, although disagree.

  39. brummytaff

    MrBhatti2013 sharpeleven SchoolsImprove performance related pay? How? Improvement of less able pupils should be top not raw exam results

  40. biscuitsarenice

    RiscaCCS_Head SchoolsImprove I totally agree however these leaders should be paid to share this load not given a title & made responsible

  41. MrBhatti2013

    sharpeleven I like his underlying principle of raising standards of education. How anyone does that will always cause varying views.

  42. drmattoleary

    MrBhatti2013 sharpeleven & how isn’t that something any conscientious practitioner is driven by? Look 2 those you work with 4 inspiration.

  43. sharpeleven

    MrBhatti2013 I’ve spent my whole career trying to raise my student’s/my own standards. Gove just demoralises me. Horrible ideologue.

  44. sharpeleven

    MrBhatti2013 I’ve always worked closely with colleagues, supporting/being supported. PRP destroys all that. It’s insane & vindictive.

  45. brummytaff

    MrBhatti2013 sharpeleven SchoolsImprove how? What base line? What attainments? I worked as SW in special needs residential so unconvinced

  46. MrsMarkendale

    rrunsworth SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 I’m not saying it’s impossible. I have just yet to be shown a fair system. All are so subjective.

  47. MrBhatti2013

    brummytaff sharpeleven SchoolsImprove Hi Bob. I would recommend you look into how schools track progress. I think it is fair!

  48. sharpeleven

    MrBhatti2013 They’re damaging and inaccurate. They don’t tell the story of a school at all. And we work better together not against each…

  49. sharpeleven

    MrBhatti2013 …other. Gove knows nothing about schools, teaching & learning. He’s a Murdoch sponsored hack with an extreme right ideology.

  50. MrBhatti2013

    sharpeleven loving the passion! I accept your view. Mine is just different. Ultimately he is in the hot seat and we have to get behind him.

  51. StephenDrew72

    SchoolsImprove Ridiculously ignorant article. Great teachers are not motivated by money. Standards, collegiality and altruism are the keys.

  52. McGDJ

    brummytaff SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 I do think we need to distinguish between results and progress – they are not necessarily the same

  53. David_AC_Grant

    SchoolsImprove You can’t buck the market, it seems. Quite enjoy the role reversal with the gov and the Torygraph disagreeing on this point.

  54. brummytaff

    McGDJ SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 recently in touch with lads I was SW for in 80’s. Seems I was very effective! Wheres my bonus?

  55. paulwilkinson08

    SchoolsImprove HMI ‘main reason for school progress linked DIRECTLY to local economy’. Posh teachers couldnt hack it in challenging schools

  56. Bedtonman

    MrBhatti2013 SchoolsImprove yes sadly yours wasn’t, masses of evidence to suggest PRP doesn’t work but Gove says it’s good so that’s okay

  57. sharpeleven

    MrBhatti2013 Respect your view. We’re right behind him, aiming a giant boot to kick him to oblivion. There will be huge rejoicing.

  58. rrunsworth

    MrsMarkendale SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 Down to SLT to set SMART targets, ensure staff understand expectations & how these measured

  59. brummytaff

    MrBhatti2013 McGDJ SchoolsImprove what teaching needs is better internal management, professional development & effective supervision.

  60. brummytaff

    MrBhatti2013 McGDJ SchoolsImprove need to challenge classroom as private domain. Change of culture that sees reg supervision as norm.

  61. MrBhatti2013

    Bedtonman SchoolsImprove oh come on, it’s not that sad! He just released supporting evidence. But you only have to look at the private sec

  62. Bedtonman

    MrBhatti2013 SchoolsImprove so you’re going to ignore massive international studies by MIT? Private sector is not education!

  63. MrBhatti2013

    Bedtonman SchoolsImprove In what way is the private sector not educational? Why do schools have business managers /cooperate consistency

  64. MrBhatti2013

    Bedtonman SchoolsImprove I tell you what! Let’s agree to disagree. Or we could be a tennis ball at the US open. Ha! 🙂

  65. MrsMarkendale

    rrunsworth SchoolsImprove MrBhatti2013 which in itself is inconsistent. Every school in every area has a different SLT.

  66. MrsMarkendale

    rrunsworth SchoolsImprove That each SLT will define their best teachers differently. How can that be measured in terms of pay?

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